I’ve never seen Diblassio put his life on the line for the public like the sea of blue does every day! What would you do if your job was to put your life on the line and then have your boss throw you under the bus constantly?
He did not throw them under the bus. He did, however, campaign on better police training and better relations with the community. They are public servants, not volunteers. They are our employees. And frankly, theirs is not the most dangerous job out there – certainly not by the percentages of on-job deaths. If their job is too hard on them, they should not be cops. If they can’t remember that they are there to serve and protect all citizens, not to be feared by the community at large, they should not be cops. I work with cops and have a good relationship with them, so I don’t judge all by the actions of a few bad apples, but some of these guys who let power go to their heads or refuse better training or protect the cops who break the law…they need to be fired. If they want to be effective and safer, they need to take some responsibility and remember who it is that they serve.
If you side with the cops and against De Blasio, you are partly taking a position in a long term and on-going political dispute over wages and working conditions. The cops should show a little more respect for their boss and the public they serve and who pay their wages. I’m a police supporter, but I do not want to live in a police state where the police think they are above reproach nor need to occasionally fine-tune their tactics. They were not thrown under the bus. They were told that some peace keeping tactics and use of force is not justified by the circumstances and more training in some areas is needed.
Who will watch the watchmen? What the NYPD seems to have misunderstood is that if it is true that most cops are good and not racist, then they should be all the more ashamed of those who are not, and take whatever action is necessary to clean them out instead of defending all cops and attacking anyone who questions them.THAT is the way to ensure they have the people’s trust. Trust can ONLY be earned, not demanded.And cdward is quite right, as usual.
It is interesting how, in our culture, we claim to revere and admire those who stand up to adversity with grace and honor, but we are quick to be graceless and rude to one who behaves badly or against our ideals. It is difficult to remain poised and stoic when we feel insulted or ill treated, but it is a measure of our character when we stand taller than those who slight us.*Luke 6:27 " "But to you who are willing to listen, I say, love your enemies! Do good to those who hate you*.Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;*There are quotes from MLK, Gandi, the Qur’an, and other sources but they mirror the two I listed. Words matter. It is important that people in leadership, or who want to influence the hearts and mines of neighbors, choose their words with thought. Speak slowly, and be aware that words spoken in public are not like the ones written in forums. There is no edit opportunity, there is no chance to rethink what you say before hitting the submit button.Respectfully,C.
I admit to being somewhat on the dense side at times. Is this a political cartoon against the mayor of New York, and for the NYPD, or the other way around?
Law enforcement draws personalities that are “authoritarian” (listen to daddy now) and socially conservative (as in “morals” and rules based largely in dogma) which means that fitting the “norm” is what they excpect from the people they “protect and serve”. What culture (HIndu, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Africa, South America, Europe) they come from actually matters less than this basic SUBCONSCIOUS mental process the INDIVIDUAL uses in their decision-making process. Police ARE individuals, “good” “bad”, is usually less a factor than how those blend. When exposed to years of experience dealing with the WORST people in a culture, those INDIVIDUALS do tend to drift toward an even narrower, and “less forgiving” atitude toward those they contact. Maintaining true balance does require continual training, and “attitude adjustment” for them to remain balanced and fully functional as the “individuals” we expect from all law enforcement.
That “Robocop” doesn’t exist (thankfully) is a good thing, just as having lots of “Jack Bauer” types running around is also NOT a good thing. Which is why having the impenetrable armor of a robot, or the mindset of a deranged robot, willing to do harm, and ignore morality if convenient, is why they shouldn’t be cops, or HEROES in our movies and culture!
in my experience, personal and what I’ve researched, the vast majority of cops are GOOD people at heart, and the VAST MAJORITY of criminals, especially those committing violent crime, are BAD PEOPLE!! While poverty does produce more typically non-violent criminals, petty fheft, drug use, burglary, those do lead to violent crimes, like armed robbery, assault and murder, that cross the “economic disparity” threshold. Mass crime actually tends to be led by organized individuals, who ARE above that “poverty line”, and just greedy, and amoral. Hmm, just like those who lead us to wars.
Which is the point. The “at war” mentality is another problem in our culture, and police are on the front lines, facing off against “evil”, while the vast majority of the public remain in either the chickenhawk brigades. It’s easier to cheer, or jeer, when folks aren’t at risk themselves.
Don Winchester Premium Member over 9 years ago
I’ve never seen Diblassio put his life on the line for the public like the sea of blue does every day! What would you do if your job was to put your life on the line and then have your boss throw you under the bus constantly?
cdward over 9 years ago
He did not throw them under the bus. He did, however, campaign on better police training and better relations with the community. They are public servants, not volunteers. They are our employees. And frankly, theirs is not the most dangerous job out there – certainly not by the percentages of on-job deaths. If their job is too hard on them, they should not be cops. If they can’t remember that they are there to serve and protect all citizens, not to be feared by the community at large, they should not be cops. I work with cops and have a good relationship with them, so I don’t judge all by the actions of a few bad apples, but some of these guys who let power go to their heads or refuse better training or protect the cops who break the law…they need to be fired. If they want to be effective and safer, they need to take some responsibility and remember who it is that they serve.
Gypsy8 over 9 years ago
If you side with the cops and against De Blasio, you are partly taking a position in a long term and on-going political dispute over wages and working conditions. The cops should show a little more respect for their boss and the public they serve and who pay their wages. I’m a police supporter, but I do not want to live in a police state where the police think they are above reproach nor need to occasionally fine-tune their tactics. They were not thrown under the bus. They were told that some peace keeping tactics and use of force is not justified by the circumstances and more training in some areas is needed.
tbemont Premium Member over 9 years ago
@cdward – Thank you for summarizing the situation perfectly. I wish I had said what you said.
Cerabooge over 9 years ago
cdward, I’ll add my 2 cents in praise of your comment. And Gypsy8 and OldCoal are also worth reading.
Motivemagus over 9 years ago
Who will watch the watchmen? What the NYPD seems to have misunderstood is that if it is true that most cops are good and not racist, then they should be all the more ashamed of those who are not, and take whatever action is necessary to clean them out instead of defending all cops and attacking anyone who questions them.THAT is the way to ensure they have the people’s trust. Trust can ONLY be earned, not demanded.And cdward is quite right, as usual.
lonecat over 9 years ago
I know that de Blasio is the incarnation of all that is evil, but exactly what did he do that was so bad?
chazandru over 9 years ago
It is interesting how, in our culture, we claim to revere and admire those who stand up to adversity with grace and honor, but we are quick to be graceless and rude to one who behaves badly or against our ideals. It is difficult to remain poised and stoic when we feel insulted or ill treated, but it is a measure of our character when we stand taller than those who slight us.*Luke 6:27 " "But to you who are willing to listen, I say, love your enemies! Do good to those who hate you*.Matthew 5:44 "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;*There are quotes from MLK, Gandi, the Qur’an, and other sources but they mirror the two I listed. Words matter. It is important that people in leadership, or who want to influence the hearts and mines of neighbors, choose their words with thought. Speak slowly, and be aware that words spoken in public are not like the ones written in forums. There is no edit opportunity, there is no chance to rethink what you say before hitting the submit button.Respectfully,C.
frodo1008 over 9 years ago
I admit to being somewhat on the dense side at times. Is this a political cartoon against the mayor of New York, and for the NYPD, or the other way around?
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
Law enforcement draws personalities that are “authoritarian” (listen to daddy now) and socially conservative (as in “morals” and rules based largely in dogma) which means that fitting the “norm” is what they excpect from the people they “protect and serve”. What culture (HIndu, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Africa, South America, Europe) they come from actually matters less than this basic SUBCONSCIOUS mental process the INDIVIDUAL uses in their decision-making process. Police ARE individuals, “good” “bad”, is usually less a factor than how those blend. When exposed to years of experience dealing with the WORST people in a culture, those INDIVIDUALS do tend to drift toward an even narrower, and “less forgiving” atitude toward those they contact. Maintaining true balance does require continual training, and “attitude adjustment” for them to remain balanced and fully functional as the “individuals” we expect from all law enforcement.
That “Robocop” doesn’t exist (thankfully) is a good thing, just as having lots of “Jack Bauer” types running around is also NOT a good thing. Which is why having the impenetrable armor of a robot, or the mindset of a deranged robot, willing to do harm, and ignore morality if convenient, is why they shouldn’t be cops, or HEROES in our movies and culture!
in my experience, personal and what I’ve researched, the vast majority of cops are GOOD people at heart, and the VAST MAJORITY of criminals, especially those committing violent crime, are BAD PEOPLE!! While poverty does produce more typically non-violent criminals, petty fheft, drug use, burglary, those do lead to violent crimes, like armed robbery, assault and murder, that cross the “economic disparity” threshold. Mass crime actually tends to be led by organized individuals, who ARE above that “poverty line”, and just greedy, and amoral. Hmm, just like those who lead us to wars.
Which is the point. The “at war” mentality is another problem in our culture, and police are on the front lines, facing off against “evil”, while the vast majority of the public remain in either the chickenhawk brigades. It’s easier to cheer, or jeer, when folks aren’t at risk themselves.
oneoldhat over 9 years ago
the mayor was asked not to come but being a bully he forced his way in and onto the platform // he is as bad as westboro baptist